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  .e 2:38 pm on August 5, 2010 Permalink
  Tags: gay rights ( 2 ), marriage, prop 8   

  big props 

  so having read the (138 page) prop 8 judgement, it’s as much as a slaughter as the trial was. the defense basically failed to present a case. i’m not even saying they presented badly, i mean they literally had no case. they had two witnesses, one of whom was discredit and his testimony not allowed, and the other only talked about gay rights in a political power sense. absolutely no testimony was entered into record saying that gay marriage will hurt straight marriage, children, or society.

  it’s pretty much the perfect scenario for gay rights. they got upheld on every point, the judge found in their favor both on equal rights and due process of law basis, and no matter which way district 9 rules, it’ll go to the supreme court where a 5-4 in their favor is likely.

  in fact, the best thing for the anti-gays to do right now, strategically, is to not appeal. i’m hoping their pride will blind them. in fact, i’m sorta expecting it.

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  addendum: oh, but the anti-gays did have one of their experts testify that if “prop 8 is overturned, one by one the states will fall into satan’s hands”. so that’s gonna go well with the “this isn’t religious bigotry” argument

   
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  .e 4:41 am on June 17, 2010 Permalink
  Tags: gay marriage, homophobia ( 2 ), justice, prop 8   

  and some like bigamy. different court case. 

  some people like big cities, others like bigotry and when the twain meet we get things like the prop 8 trial.

  closing arguments came through today. the plaintiffs pretty much summarized their side of the trial in a few hours, while the defense took the rather unusual course of saying (this is not a paraphrase) “we don’t need to prove our case” on most the issues. so on things like the purpose of marriage is to procreate (despite the fact that people who can’t have kids can marry) and on the claim that gay marriage will hurt straight people, they punted and claimed they don’t need to show evidence, it’s enough for them to say that’s the case.

  who knows, it might work. this whole trial is a slight ‘who cares’ since this round is just for bragging rights: it’s going straight to 9th district court for next year where it will win, then supreme court after, where it will lose, since judges vote on party lines. it’s silly, but that’s how the world runs. our future course of civil rights really is up to a bunch of cardiologists who will be trying to keep some justices alive.

  tangently, yes, to the anti-gays marriage really is about procreation. more specifically, to them all of sex is about procreation, and all actions taken are supposed to be related to raising families. any deviation from this plan is, well, a deviation. and so deviation by deviation we slide towards a deviant nation where procreation isn’t the only manifestation for showing an affectation of affection.